tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post761072620247090851..comments2023-09-28T06:47:43.209-04:00Comments on The Surly Poker Gnome: Damn ShortstacksGnomehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06181215527323378978noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-19380089735774440052007-11-20T16:50:00.000-05:002007-11-20T16:50:00.000-05:00Damn Shortstacks - Miller ALSO says that Good Deep...Damn Shortstacks - Miller ALSO says that Good Deep Stacked players will win MORE against bad or moderate Deep Stack players even though there is an intrinsic advantage to being short stacked.<BR/><BR/>THUS - if YOU were Deep Stacked against a table of Deep stack players . . being Deep stacked would be a disadvantage and short stack might be better. <BR/><BR/>However - on the other side of the coin - if you are short stacked against a bunch of bad short stack players you do not get that advantage as you want more deep stack players in the game.<BR/><BR/>As always "it all depends". <BR/><BR/>I DO have to admit I like knowing that I'm annoying LOL but I go both ways.Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01932711236857676894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-67929442313597080432007-10-25T16:57:00.000-04:002007-10-25T16:57:00.000-04:00Just a question--you say at the end that it's a cl...Just a question--you say at the end that it's a closer call if you can expand his range. But if you expand his range, can you still assume you'll get his whole stack if you win the hand?<BR/><BR/>I agree with your general point, but I think your hand actually illustrates the benefits from the shortstack's perpsective--he has reduced your implied odds to remove your skill advantage. Arguably he even induced a mistake by putting you on anti-shortstack tilt.SoxLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14734288856544594471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-51153072962645003032007-10-24T17:17:00.000-04:002007-10-24T17:17:00.000-04:00Doesn't the fact that you hate playing against the...Doesn't the fact that you <B>hate</B> playing against these short stacks so much suggest that there might be some merit in buying in short? I will say that when I do buy in short it is typically because it causes people to change the way they play against me in a way that is generally beneficial to me IMO.<BR/><BR/>I will have more to say on this topic at some point in the near future, it is a very interesting point and something worthy of further discussion I think.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-36135954368213680372007-10-24T13:54:00.000-04:002007-10-24T13:54:00.000-04:00Good points, especially about the value of buying ...Good points, especially about the value of buying in short in a laggy game. <BR/>Even though many shortstacks are bad, I still find them highly annoying because I hate having to fold marginal preflop hands and play for these tiny pots.Gnomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181215527323378978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-22718952080757917272007-10-24T12:53:00.000-04:002007-10-24T12:53:00.000-04:00I feel you can broaden your range a bit against th...I feel you can broaden your range a bit against those short stacks because 1)you already know your max loss if heads up and 2)A lot of short stacks will play with less than premium cards (mentality equal to "I can only lose 5x BB with K10o/s so what the heck -all in". If they ARE sitting tight then you can buy their blinds. <BR/><BR/>I always prefer to buy in for the max and rebuy if I get close to being the short stack at the table. And like you said, you want to get paid off big when you hit a monster.jamyhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446095034113797225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-72121517752358741072007-10-24T10:16:00.000-04:002007-10-24T10:16:00.000-04:00I don't mind dealing with short stackers - most of...I don't mind dealing with short stackers - most of them are just bad. The good ones usually play so tight that you can fold to their raises.<BR/><BR/>The thing that really sucks about short stackers is when your are in multi-way pots with one of the players being a short stacker. You may get priced into some hands or have to make adjustments to your bet sizes to account for these guys. You can also use the short stacks to play against the 3rd player in the pot. (i.e - bet less than half of the remaining shorties stack if you are trying to get more money in the pot. The short stack may raise all-in and you can re-raise if the 3rd player calls.)cmitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10042498440232473004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18806762.post-48382298243484633752007-10-24T07:03:00.000-04:002007-10-24T07:03:00.000-04:00I can think of a lot of scenarios in which I'd rat...I can think of a lot of scenarios in which I'd rather play 20bbs deep instead of 100+. The biggest one is that there are a bunch of lag winning players with a bunch of 3betting preflop. Personally, that is about my least desirable game to play in full stacked. Shortstacked though, its like a dream.Weshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803773412941700403noreply@blogger.com